Stem Cell Research, Christian Question?
Bit οf a disclaimer, I’m חοt a Christian. I’m a pagan, ѕο don’t ɡеt іחtο tһе atheist vs Christian stuff οח mе. Tһіѕ іѕ meant fοr those wһο believe life ѕtаrtѕ аt conception.
Tһеrе аrе a lot οf conditions аחԁ diseases embryonic stem cell research сουƖԁ potentially cure. Bесаυѕе οf tһе belief tһаt life ѕtаrtѕ аt birth, tһіѕ research wουƖԁ constitute murder. If уου, οr one οf уουr Ɩονеԁ ones, wеrе affected bу one οf tһе diseases tһаt сουƖԁ bе cured bу stem cell research (such аѕ Parkinson’s аחԁ Alzheimer’s diseases, spinal cord injury, stroke, burns, heart disease, diabetes, osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis tο name ѕοmе), аחԁ tһе options wеrе available tο уου tο receive tһіѕ treatment tһаt wаѕ engineered bу embryonic stem cells, wουƖԁ уου accept іt? Wһу? If уου ԁіԁ accept іt, wουƖԁ уου bе аbƖе tο religiously justify іt?
Thanks! Jυѕt curious.
Christian, pro choice, fully support any scientific research especially stem cell research.
how is it they can harvest stem cells from adults and still do the same thing, i reckon there is more money to be made from embryos and aborted babies
They (meaning Fundies) say that embryos have souls. Never mind that the ones used for stem cell research are clusters of about four cells total.
They also seem to be under the impression that adult stem cells are better. This ignores the fact that adult stem cells are *multipotent* – they can turn into a limited number of other cell types. Embryonic stem cells are *pluripotent* – they can be converted into **any** cell type. That’s why they’re far more valuable to medical research.
They also say that adult stem cells have borne more medical advancements. They don’t seem to realise that this just may be because there was a **ban on embryonic stem cell research**. Of course you’re gonna get more results from Option B when you’re not allowed to try Option A!
Addition:
There’s also a misconception that embryonic stem cells come from abortions. This is just not right. They’re harvested from the frozen embryos leftover from IVF treatments (IVF involves made a number of embryos and implantiing one or two at a time in anticipation of it takes). If not used for stem cell research, these leftover embryos would simply be hurt. Which is the better option: throwing them into a medical incinerator, or by them to find cures for horrendous illnesses?
Although it’s from a Jewish, not Christian perspective, it has to be one of the most appealing devout legal debates I’ve seen on stem cell
http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Is_Stem_Cell_Research_Ethical$.asp
I have wondered if public opposed to embryoic stem cell research will refuse the treatments that are derived from it.
(Judaism by & large has concluded from a devout perspective that it’s acceptable. It doesn’t just say, we want it to be okay so it is, but instead goes through the strict devout arguments to conclude it is.)
I am a pro-life Christian who is in favor of stem cell research for the following reasons.
1. I do not accept the thought that it is murder. The babies are life aborted anyway. At smallest amount this way, their death will grant some excellent to society. To me, it is better than just tossing them in a garbage pail afterwards.
2. I want to see humanity reap the benefits of this. The long list you mentioned above is value the try. This could be a new day for human development.
3. This current research will probably lead to the use of placental stem cells that can be used from all births and not have to come from abortions any more.
All of this research is only possible because God give man the knowledge to come up with it, So, why not place God’s gifts to use?!
i would because a human life has been scientifically proven not to start at conception, and i wouldnt want to live with those conditions. and im not devout, it shouldnt need devout justification
There are options to embryonic stem cells that are just as excellent and not immoral. Making the Church out to be anti-science is just propaganda.
OBAMA’S SCIENTIFIC INTEGRITY MEMO
March 9, 2009
President Obama signed an executive order today on stem cell research; it was part of his “Scientific Integrity Presidential Memorandum.” In response, Catholic League president Bill Donohue said the following:
http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1575
OBAMA IS NOT OPPOSED TO ALL HUMAN CLONING
March 13, 2009
On the morning of March 9, President Obama signed an executive order on stem cell research that also built-in a proclamation on human cloning. Many media outlets quickly released a tale with headlines like that of the Linked Push, “Obama Calls Cloning ‘Perilous, Profoundly Incorrect.’” On the same day, at 1:40 p.m, Obama’s push secretary, Robert Gibbs, was questioned about the cloning issue and he said, “I reckon the executive order—I don’t have it in front of me—simply bans human cloning.”
Commenting on this is Catholic League president Bill Donohue:
“Media reports which said that President Obama banned human cloning were incorrect. So was White Household Push Secretary Robert Gibbs.
http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1579
“While human life is threatened in many ways in our society, the destruction of human embryos for stem-cell research confronts us with an issue of respect for life in a stark new way,” it says.
“The issue of stem-cell research does not force us to point out between science and ethics, much less between science and religion,” the document says. “It presents a choice as to how our society will pursue scientific and medical progress.”
The policy proclamation seeks to refute three arguments made in favor of permitting stem-cell research that involves the destruction of human embryos. It says proponents of embryonic stem-cell research argue:
- “Any harm done in this case is outweighed by potential benefits.
- “What is hurt is not a human life, or at smallest amount not a human life with fundamental human rights.
- “Dissecting human embryos for their cells should not be seen as involving a loss of embryonic life.”
Responding to the first argument, the document says that “the fake assumption that a excellent end can justify direct killing has been the source of much evil in our world.”
“No commitment to a hoped-for ‘greater excellent’ can erase or diminish the incorrect of directly taking innocent human lives here and now,” the proclamation adds. “In fact, policies undermining our respect for human life can only endanger the vulnerable patients that stem-cell research offers to help. The same ethic that justifies taking some lives to help the uncomplaining with Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s disease today can be used to sacrifice that very uncomplaining tomorrow.”
On the claims that a week-ancient embryo is “too small, immature or undeveloped to be considered a ‘human life’” or “too lacking in mental or physical abilities to have full human value or human rights,” the document notes that the embryo “has the full complement of human genes” and is worthy of the same dignity given to all members of the human family.
“If fundamental rights such as the right to life are based on abilities or qualities that can appear or disappear, grow or diminish, and be greater or lesser in different human beings, then there are no inherent human rights, no right human equality, only privileges for the strong,” the proclamation says.
The document also dismisses the argument that there is no harm in killing so-called “spare” embryos made for in vitro fertilization attempts because they would die anyway.
“Ultimately each of us will die, but that gives no one a right to kill us,” the proclamation says. “Our society does not permit lethal experiments on terminally ill patients or condemned prisoners on the cause that they will soon die anyway. Likewise, the fact that an embryonic human life is at risk of life abandoned by his or her parents gives no individual or government a right to directly kill that human life first.”
The document also addresses moves to permit human cloning and the “grotesque practice” – banned by the Fetus Farming Prohibition Act of 2006 – to develop cloned embryos in a woman’s womb in order to harvest tissues and organs from them.
It closes with a reminder that the use of adult stem cells and umbilical-cord blood have been shown to offer “a better way” to produce cells that can benefit patients suffering from heart disease, corneal hurt, sickle cell anemia, multiple sclerosis and many other diseases.
“There is no moral doubt to research and therapy of this kind, when it involves no harm to human beings at any the boards of development and is conducted with appropriate informed consent,” it says. “Catholic foundations and medical centers have been, and will continue to be, amongst the leading supporters of ethically responsible advances in the medical use of adult stem cells.”
If an embryo has not been implanted in the uterus, it is not viable…one could argue whether or not it has a soul, but there’s no way to really know…what we do know is that it cannot live or develop on its own. Conception is all excellent, but implantation is where I reckon it’s at.
It doesn’t make sense to make embryos willy nilly, but there are plenty around that will not grow into a baby but will be hurt anyway, so why not use them for scientific purposes?
I read in the paper today that there are approximately 500 million embryos currently held in fertility clinics in the US.
I reckon the Christian Question (I’m not one) boils down to:
Door # 1
- Belief that an embryo has a soul, and that because of that to ruin it is murder
Door # 2
- An embryo does not have a soul, and therefore harvesting stem cells and destroying the embryo is not murder
- part b.. But human cloning and breeding embryos for scientific purposes is incorrect
Door # 3
- An embryo is a potential human life, and to ruin it is incorrect
- But (back to the 500,000,000 embryos) since most embryo’s are hurt, it is better to use their stem cells to alleviate human suffering
Christians have been sticking their noses in to where they don’t belong for centuries…
Scientific Research has NOTHING to do with religion.
If Christians are against it then they don’t have to use the benefits that may come from this research.
Christians don’t use Plot-B so they end up with uninvited children… The same should hold right for any future advances in the meadow of Stem Cell Research.
If you don’t like where the treatment came from, then tell your doctor you have a moral doubt to it and question for leaches.
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Faith in Prayer Kills Children
http://www.livescience.com/health/080410-terrible-prayer-kills.html
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It isn’t THAT hard… But Christians tend to be hypocrites when it comes to this sort of thing… Just like how the VP of P.E.T.A. still uses Insulin for her diabetes even though the insulin came from research that used dogs…
She justifies her hypocrisy by saying “I am not a hypocrite. I feel that my use of insulin is justified in that the longer I live, the more I can do for the animal rights movement.”
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Season 2 Episode 1
PETA (Public for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) is against all forms of medical testing involving animals – regardless of the potential benefits to human beings… PETA supports banning the ownership of pets and advocates releasing them into the wild… It’s enough to make a vegetarian eat meat!
Streaming:
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=77I6MHCG
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Yeah… Everything is open for protest in anticipation of it is something you need to stay alive…
Sigh…
Christians refuse to do the research in to what Stem Cell Research really is…
They allow their biased party and/or religion of choice to tell them what is going on and refuse to take 10 min’s to so much as go to Wiki and map out the facts for themselves…
SCIENCE SHOULD NOT BE HANDICAPPED BY POLITICAL AGENDA.
The United States is NOT a Christian Nation… It was NOT founded on Christian Ideals… Christian agendas should stay out of the classroom, research center, and White Household.
The distress with the anti-Stem Cell nut-jobs is that they only parrot what their biased or devout organization of choice tells them is ‘the truth’.
They refuse to take 10 min’s and so much as go to Wiki and find out what Stem Cell Research is really all about.
It is sad… Very Very Sad.
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Here… To be helpful, I’ll even start you off on your path to discovery!
Embryonic Stem Cells: 5 Misconceptions
http://www.livescience.com/health/090317-terrible-stem-cells.html
Top 5 Inaccurate Statements: (To read the details, please click on the link above)
1. George W. Bush killed research on embryonic stem cells.
2. Bush spurred development of alternative sources of embryonic stem cells.
3. Embryonic stem cells are no longer needed.
4. Cures are around the corner.
5. Obama’s executive order means “all systems go.”